Posts by Little Bo Peep

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The appearance of the dreaded [] brackets...

by AuldSoul in

i present this as a complementary thread to ldh's "eplipsis" thread: the appearance of the dreaded ellipsis [.

ozziepost already posted this one in that thread:colossians 1:16,17 they use it here to make it appear as though god created jesus first, then all other things were created through him.

they have the word "other" in brackets.

Little Bo Peep

Over time, as a JW, you don't even see the brackets anymore, and it all becomes "scripture". I did a post this past March on the "New World Translation and Honesty". This was about adding the name "Jehovah" in scriptures that context would have you understand it was probably talking about Jesus. It also dealt with the "non-use" of brackets. There are many, many scriptures where the WT has added words that don't help the English rendition, but actually change the meaning, rather than letting the reader come to his or her own conclusion.

A few of these additions are found as follows: Adding "in union with" instead of "in", at John 6:56; 10:38; 14:10,11,20; 17:21,23; 2 Cor 5:17; 13:5; Col 1:27; 2:6; 1Jn 2:24,27,28; 3:24; 4:4,13,15,16; 5:20. Adding "other" where there is no "other" in, Rom 8:32; Phil 2:9; Col 1:16-20. Adding "all sorts of" instead of "all" at 1 Tim 2:1,4; 2:6 (ft note);4:10; Tit 2:11; 1 Pet 3:17. I have a list of at least another 20.

The problem I see with adding these additional words that are NOT in the Greek, is it takes away our right to read a scripture and come to a conclusion based on context, rather it forces us to come to their conclusions. Now I realize why people would tell us at the doors that we had our own translation of the Bible, and were so leary of reading it.

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Rapture...Help needed to explain.

by Little Bo Peep in

recently my daughter-in-law asked me about the "rapture".

her employer has scared her with thoughts of driving along the highway and taken to heaven, leaving an empty car...accidents...etc, etc.. i looked up the scriptures referenced in the niv, but don't quite know how to answer her.

i'm pretty sure that explanation is not logical, at least to me.

Little Bo Peep

Recently my daughter-in-law asked me about the "rapture". Her employer has scared her with thoughts of driving along the highway and taken to heaven, leaving an empty car...accidents...etc, etc.

I looked up the scriptures referenced in the NIV, but don't quite know how to answer her. I'm pretty sure that explanation is not logical, at least to me. Could someone help with some answers, or at least some other possible explanations? Perhaps this is one of those things, we'll just have to "wait and see"!

Thanks, Little Bo Peep

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NWT Hebrews 1:6 Bible change Revised 1970 and 1984 editions. Any others?

by hubert in

in the "journey home" series on ewtn, which jeff schwem was on a while back, jeff mentioned a bible change from one printing of the nwt to a later printing of it.

this interested me tremendously, since my j.w.

sister-in-law told me one day that "the nwt bible never changes".

Little Bo Peep

I read your post with great interest. We have been doing extensive research for about four years, and although we'd rather put this all behind us, our children are now asking a lot of questions, so the "search" goes on. I spent all of last evening comparing all of your references in the Kingdom Interlinear (KIT), which the NWT uses; the Emphatic Diaglott, and the Hebrew-Greek-English Interlinear by Jay P. Green. All three are different in a number of instances, and I will follow with a few in just a moment. The KIT, according to the forward, is drawn from Westcott and Hort of 1881. The Emphatic Diaglott is from the Vatican 1209. I found the Westcott and Hort interlinear online at "Online Greek Interlinear", which may be of use to you. I did find that when there was a "deletion", it was because the original manuscripts usually did not have that text, and most modern translations also delete them. The following is what I found on some of your references.

John 1:1= WH says "god was the word", as does the KIT, although in the english translation, it adds "a god". It's interesting, in the forward of the KIT, it acknowledges the Greek had no "a" or "an", but would be added at the translators discresion.

John 8:58= WH reads "I am", just like the KJV.

Rom 14:10= WH says "of the God". ED says the "seat of the anointed".

1 Tim 3:16= WH says "God was manifest in the flesh".

Rev 5:14= WH adds "lives forever and ever" in the English translation, but in the literal Greek, it ends as does the KIT.

Acts 7:59,60= WH reads nearly the same as the KJV.

1 Cor 10:9= WH reads like the KJV.

1 John 3:16= WH reads like the KJV, but has [of God] bracketed.

Col 2:9= WH says it is "dwelling entire the complement of the diety bodily".

2 Tim 2:19= WH reads like the KJV.

Col 1:16= WH reads like the KJV.

John 1:3= WH reads like the KJV.

Acts 2:30= WH reads like the KJV.

Rom 8:34= WH reads like the KJV.

2 Cor 13:14= WH reads like the KJV.

Mt 24:36= WH reads like the KJV.

I was surprised by many of the differences between the KIT, ED, and our Hebrew-Greek-English Interlinear, but was shocked when I read from Westcott and Hort. It was different from the KIT (NWT), even though the KIT says "the main material will be found the original koine Greek text as revised (in 1881 C.E.) by the renowned Greek scholars B.F.Westcott and F.J.A. Hort". My research has shown the NWT to be dishonest in many scriptures, adding many words or changes, without any [brackets].

Thank you for your research. Your work is appreciated.

Little Bo Peep

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Watchtower Gives Up Explaining 607 BCE Date!

by VM44 in

this is a very important observation, that the watchtower has not tried to explain in print why 607 bce is the year for the destruction of jerusalem for the last 17 years!!!.

all that the watchtower has done over most of the last two decades is to repeat over and over the year "607bce" in its publications as if it is an unquestioned fact!.

the last time an explaination for the year was attempted by the watchtower was in 1988 when the "insight" volumes were published, but since then, no explaination for the validity of the year has appeared in print.. this must mean something, but what?

Little Bo Peep

Just finished talking with our daughter. Told her about the "kings list" from the WT literature you just posted. She has been having quite a discussion with her in-laws. Her father-in-law said he will give her the needed information regarding 607, as he has "connections". We'll see if he does any research. If you look in the current book study book, Pay Attention to Daniel's Prophecy, page 46, it says, "In the second year of Nebuchadnezzar's reign as world ruler (606/605 B.C.E.), God sent him a terrifying dream." This is in contradiction to page 64 that says, "In the fourth year of his reign (620 B.C.E.), Nebuchadnezzar made Judah his vassal kingdom." Which one is right? I think this would be a good question to ask any JW, since they are studying this book right now. If 606/605 is right, you have the nearly 20 missing years.

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An End To Shunning

by Sunspot in

well, in my case anyway.

for those of you that may recall my posts about my family and that after i left the wts, how i wrote long (and painful) letters to my nonjw children among others.

i had tried to explain why i had shunned them and how very sorry i was, and for all the mistakes i had made throughout their childhoods as a jw mother.

Little Bo Peep

Don't know what I've done, but can't get this 2nd, blank post off!!!

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An End To Shunning

by Sunspot in

well, in my case anyway.

for those of you that may recall my posts about my family and that after i left the wts, how i wrote long (and painful) letters to my nonjw children among others.

i had tried to explain why i had shunned them and how very sorry i was, and for all the mistakes i had made throughout their childhoods as a jw mother.

Little Bo Peep

Wonderful experience! So happy for you. We know how you feel. After writing a lengthy letter to our two "still JW" daughters, we proceeded to "fade" for the last three years. Our daughters didn't shun us, as they had agreed that that wasn't the Christian thing to do, but things weren't the same. We didn't have a lot to talk about. When my husband would "slyly" try to make a point here or there, out oldest daughter finally said, "I know what Dad is trying to do, and we don't appreciate it at all". So from that time on, "mum" was the word. It was so hard, as you know. Early this year, we all went to see the movie, "National Treasure". Everyone enjoyed it, and the "kids" saw it again. Our granddaughter wanted to know about the "eye" on the dollar bill. She, our daughter and son-in-law did some research on the "all-seeing-eye" and the "pyramid", and ended up at a sight for Brother Russell, pyramidology, Free Masons and spiritism, of all things. That started the ball rolling. Our daughter called the next day, and ask a few questions stemming from the original letter we had written them several years ago, about Brother Russell. She started doing her own research, and hasn't stopped since. Our younger daughter is doing the same. It's wonderful to have our girls "back again". They hadn't realized what a wall there had been. They see what a "CULT" the WT really is. When you stand back, apart from the WT it is so obvious. Maybe some of you out there can encourage your loved ones to see the movie and do a little "research" also...who knows where it might lead???

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Latest on Creative Days?

by Justin in

in the book from paradise lost to paradise regained (1958) the society published a commentary on genesis, chapter 1 in which the creation was explained in terms of a scientific theory which was supposedly compatible with the bible.

for example, "when the earth was formed, it was a hot ball of gas, and no doubt looked much like the sun does today.

" (page 9) and, the earth was enveloped in a "blanket of darkness .

Little Bo Peep

Alan Feuerbacher has a lot of research about "creation". He is an awesome researcher. I think if you go to "watchtower research" in your search engine, you will find plenty of information, as well as more current WT publication information. I think the WT book, "Life How Did It Get Here, by Evolution or Creation" is the newest publication on this subject.

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OK for WTS to rent YMCA facilities - 1964 KM

by Bonnie_Clyde in

1964 km - page 4: .

question box: what viewpoint should we take toward membership in such organizations as the ymca, if one's membership is solely for the use of recreational facilities?.

answer: the young men's christian association is in actuality a manifestation of interfaith.

Little Bo Peep

Seems to me their "logic" should apply when it comes to the decision to join the UN, and become a "card carrying" NGO member, for WHATEVER reasons!!!

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jehovah's witness smoking ben doctrine.

by pepheuga in

can any body point me to a well researched webpage about this subject.. .

.

pepheuga

Little Bo Peep

Interesting, as my husband is at this moment, compiling a letter to one of our sons who is shunning his older brother, who was DF'd for smoking, and shunning us, for continuing to associate with him. The 1954 article said many who had smoked, quit because it wasn't Christian, but in reality, probably because they were given "X" number of months to quit or be DF'd. On the same note, "coffee" is every bit as addictive, although granted, not as harmful to those around the coffee drinker. But we've known so many over the years, who couldn't get to the first door in service if they hadn't had their coffee "fix". Some even get physically ill for a lack of coffee, headaches etc??? Where's the sense of it all??? It must be in the CONTROL aspect, and making JW's different, at all costs.

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a great crowd and rev 21

by IP_SEC in

i?ve been researching the references to a great crowd at revelation 7 and 19. it seems to me that there is little doubt that the vision places them in heaven.

naos, enopion, and the reference to heaven in chapter 19 seem pretty conclusive as to their heavenly position to me.

my problem is that, when i read revelation 21:1-4 it seems to me that this is speaking about the same group as the 'a great crowd' at chapter 7 and 19. at 7:15 it says god will spread his tent over this group.

Little Bo Peep

Just read your post, so thought some of my research could help. I hadn't really "read" the Bible in all of my 58 years with the WT, until the last two years. When I started reading it for what is says, instead of what the WT says it "says", I was very surprised. Here are some of the scriptures I found that had similar expressions as those of Rev 21:1-4, indicating to me these things had already started to be fulfilled. Keep in mind too, there is great controversy as to when the book of Revelation was written, before or after 70ce. The scriptures are from the NWT. 2 Cor 6:16 "we are a temple". The footnote says divine habitation or dwelling. By the way, my "8 translation" Bible, uses "tent", "temple", "dwell", "live", and "home", for the word "tent". 1 Cor 15:54-56 talks about deaths sting being "swallowed up forever". He was talking to those with a "heavenly hope". Also, the Law was being taken away by Jesus' sacrifice, ending death. 2 Pet 1:4 talks about becoming "sharers in divine nature". Luke 4:18-21 Jesus quoted Isaiah, saying he fulfulled that scripture. Lu 7:22 shows it was being done then, at that time. Col 1:13 says they had been "transferred" into "the kingdom of the Son of his love". 1 Pet 2:9,10 says they "were once not a people, but are now God's people". 2 Tim 1:10 says Jesus "has abolished death". The footnote says, literally, "having made ineffective". 2 Cor 5:17 says those in union with Christ are a "new creation; the old things passed away, look! new things have come into existence."

I'd encourage you to read the context also. Hope these scriptures help in adding more to the possible meaning to Rev 21. I think there are things we will never really know for sure, and we can't be dogmatic about anything that isn't spelled out in "black and white".